Who the hell is Ad Hominem?

/bark bark bark

For Vanille and BlogBen. BizBen needs no further explanation.

Looks like I got back just in time to prevent CSP from writng checks I have no intention of cashing.

It was the emotional exhibitionism of WCH that fueled the angry first post. My response is not all that different from what Mr Q is saying in his used car salesman post about Bono. I call it compassion fashion. I found the tone of his writing to be condescending and narcissistic and those irritants were compounded by too many words. Same words over and over. You know why I lIke BogsBlog? He's economical. Get in, make your point, and get out.

These are legitimate points. I think fair play means I say what I want and fair play is also that you can disagree, clean my clock, ditto or ignore me altogether. Just because I didn't roll over and decorate my belly with the warm golden pillar does not mean I have not made an attempt to be a gentleman, acknowledge my rotten behavior and move on.

I said in his yard I was sorry, and I gave him props for being my Dr. Frankenstein, the creator of this creature in a manner of speaking. I say straight up, first post, this blog was created for WCH. And yesterday, through Cheney's sock puppet post, I have given him the ultimate praise. I think these things are BETTER than apologies.

This blog is called SPARRING K9 not "Channelling Alan Alda" so I refuse to go touchy feely on this. WCH ought to write me a thank you note for creating a situation where a bunch of alpha chicks wade in and start swinging in his defense! Talk about a bounty of good fortune!

You know, I was cool until I really starting thinking about his offer, you know his post called barkbarkbark? The offer was to do a blog together; a point counter-point bit. As I read on, that mad dog feeling came all over me again. Why? Because before I even knew what I was in, this guy had it titled, with my own barks no less, packaged and had laid out a list of rules for me to follow before you could say Jim Dandy. There is something of a liberal mind set to WCH's "containment" approach.
Bogs got it right. I won't be tethered to another's leash.

A conservative dog, like myself says no thanks I'll take my chances, and if it doesn't fly than that is MY failure. And if it does fly it is MY success. Maybe I don't want to talk about what WCH does. Maybe I have my own game plan. Maybe Im not a nice doggie. Maybe I am, like many things, both beautiful and horrifying.

And if the price I have to pay for not making ANOTHER apology is to be not read, then so be it. That is the free market system. If the market does not support my product then this blog will die as well it should. This is a capitalist canine mini manifesto. No further apologies will be made.



Blogger infinitesimal said...

OK Whatever...quit procrastinating and please answer my question. Who is the big fight with?

Regarding Your Comment:
See Vanille Bitch for an explaination of "Ad Hominem attacks"


5:51 PM  
Blogger Ben said...

Okay, case closed here, too.

Especially as I just realized this:
I have a right to say: "I would not handle it that way". But it was arrogant of me to think I had a right to tell you what YOU should do.

I am sorry. Peace.

6:03 PM  
Blogger K9 said...

/bark bark bark


"whatever", according to your blog, is the universal word for "I have lost the argument".

Understand, I mean WCH nothing but success. Perhaps you cannot understand, but as one dog to another, I will not belittle WCH by implying he cannot roll with critical observation. He is capable and has his own strengths. He needs nothing from me. But your loyalty to him is a beautiful thing.

Vanille bitch is a very long blog. I would be more interested in reading your synopsis of that long Bush the monster post. And, I have read all of those things already.

Writing a blog is like a drug. It is addictive and it saps off the creativity that I could apply to my capitalist pig money making activities. So my post on the big fight for you takes time. Don't you want me to do a good job? And surely, you must know what I am going to say.


6:35 PM  
Blogger K9 said...

/bark bark bark

Ben you are smart as all get out. You need never offer an apology to me. Your influence has been to appeal to my higher canine. And that's not blowing smoke up. That is for real.


6:39 PM  
Blogger infinitesimal said...

There is an Ad Hominem post for you there now. I do not really know what you are going to say. Yes I do want for you to do a good job, do it as though you were preparing to convert me.

My synapsis of the post?

The Bush family is enmeshed in this countries political underpinnings, They are like the Winsors, they are like the BinLadens. They own America. Why? Because we don't. We are too addicted to: pointless TV, Booze, Cheeba, Smack, Cigs, (for me it is sugar) and feeling sorry for ourselves to own our own country. WE ARE lazy fat Americans who demand dish TV and Hossenfuckinfeffer....Oh do not get me started. We need a boot-camp style wake up call. We deserve the real ID. That is why I have not procreated.


*see future post En Vanille re: Real ID*

8:29 PM  
Blogger Bird said...


Because of your entree into wch's blog, I've now become acquainted with your writing and thinking (though I don't agree with you most of the time - I enjoy the "conversation" - too civilized a word for it) and Reverend X - who has some pretty interesting stuff as well. Both blogs are now included on my daily rounds.

But my blogging activity (posting, reading, commenting) is slowing down and I may go dark for a bit - the semester is in full swing for me now(lots of warping to do)and as you noted, this screen-sucking activity saps the energy from other endeavors.

now i'm off to check out infintesimal's ad hominen post. curious how it stacks up with my understanding of the term.

9:35 PM  
Blogger mad malva blue said...

hi ... woof woof ...

i see your point about wch and his offer of the blog ... it did seem ... condescending ... perhaps?

i like your style, even if i don't agree with everything you say ... you pack a lot of meaning into few words (u definitely don't have verbal diarrhea ...LOL) ...

apologies were made ... that should make that saga ... ENDED ...shouldn't it? for me, anyway ... i've long moved on ... and i will keep coming back and reading ... 'cuz i like this blog ... do stick around ... there's room here for everyone ...

emotional exibitionism ... :grin: ... i like that one ...

12:51 AM  
Blogger infinitesimal said...

We here at infinitesimal wear many faces, but we agree, and have put the cirque du soliel reject back into her littered cage. She is a spitfire though, that one...
Now, regarding your comment onWCH's posting advert:

"Start a Fire

if you like what you read here (or even better, if you don't) leave a comment of almost any sort, send an email or pass the url on to your friends so they can disagree with you.

read, respond, provoke, connect."

My Bad, Who Knew? Touche Mon Frere, Touche.

It is hard to convince Miss Vanille that she conceed defeat. She is STILL convinced that she is right and refuses to come out to post (maybe Bush in a bannana hammock will help her loosen up), so I have come to you.

(Belly laughs from you are an unexpected joy)



7:39 AM  
Blogger Pete Bogs said...

happy Year of the Dog, dog!


8:37 AM  
Blogger Pete Bogs said...

isn't ad hominem where one ad sounds just like another?

and, ok, I've been thinking about this... shouldn't K9's special power be the ability to sneak up on his "opponents" and, um, take them from behind?

10:37 AM  
Blogger infinitesimal said...

Bogs, I think you been thinkin' 'bout that a little too much....y'know what I mean? Coupled with the Brokeback mountain schtick....well, you see where I am going.

K9, I read "the others", did you write it?
Whatever, that's not my point.
Did you see comment #17 under TCP?
What do you make of it?
Psycho babble is what I think.

11:55 AM  
Blogger K9 said...

/bark bark bark


no I didnt write it. But when I looked at the newness of the profile it occured to me that such an assumption might be made. They also say it better than I ever did. which it wasnt about race at all, it was this elitist kind of "Oh you poor dears, the guru of the God realm feels your pain and will take up your cause" As you are well aware it rubs my fur all wrong.

That thing after the others' comment was trip -py! I read it three times, dont understand but it was funny too somehow. Dont know what to make of that one!

thanks for the dog year salutation. check out my reply to your brokeass mountain dig at VB's blog


12:33 PM  
Blogger K9 said...

/bark bark bark

and didn't you and WCH talk about being the "others" in another post? maybe thats where they got it.


12:35 PM  
Blogger infinitesimal said...

"This blog is called SPARRING K9 not "Channelling Alan Alda" so I refuse to go touchy feely on this. WCH ought to write me a thank you note for creating a situation where a bunch of alpha chicks wade in and start swinging in his defense! Talk about a bounty of good fortune!"

Laughing My Ass Off!
and yeah, maybe he should at that...

Check out Vanille's Video Picks.

1:14 PM  
Blogger Ben said...

K9, Vanille: Took me about 20 minutes to figure out that damn "TCP". So much for smart, K9. ... no, indeed, thank you.

1:31 PM  
Blogger Pete Bogs said...

schtick? OUCH!

I was just following the line of logic from his nickname, Doggie-Style!

6:40 PM  
Blogger Pete Bogs said...

ps: I've done a Year of the Dog blog on my site, dedicated to preserving your kind... sort of...


6:44 PM  
Blogger infinitesimal said...

Yes Pete, but posting him that way would only serve to remind me of -sniff- his preference of an ottoman BIMBO to me....

just teasing about the other comment, but you ARE Randy today, must have been the Dalek porn over at SnowBro's spot.

7:17 PM  
Blogger Mr Q said...

K9, my take on WCH is that he is a concerned midwestern american with an interest of current events and of course, himself. I find alikes in the barbershop once a week, every week, reading their newspapers. My take on you is that you are just a rebelious K9 who bit his partner because he pulled the leash too hard one day and when you are left home alone (bad idea) you love to tear apart newspapers and bark at the postman through the window while scratching the leather in the couch. Just a normal dog. :-)
You were walking around the hood, just dropping brownies in the yard, but one of the yards was WCH's blog. Normal stuff for me.

7:40 PM  
Blogger mad malva blue said...

hi ... just wanted to tell you that i have read this post a couple of times and i see where you're coming from re the wch thing ... i have to admit i didn't at first ... but i do now, and i could see how someone could find his style a little condescending or patronizing ...

that said ... i really think its time to move on ... and, yes ... wch did solicit debate, didn't he ...?

anyway ...my apologies if you felt attacked for expressing your opinion over there ...

your a cool dawg k9 ...

12:05 AM  
Blogger Reverend X said...

Yo k9,
It would seem the alpha chicks have moved to your yard. Congrats.
It would seems that Uriel and I have reached an impasse of inherent interpretation. You ready for the big fight?

Hominems- little candies from the hood.
Homeopathy- when the brothers don't care.
Homeopathic- sensitive wasps with "lots of black friends"

3:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reverend X said "It would seems that Uriel and I have reached an impasse of inherent interpretation. You ready for the big fight?"

From outside the fenced yard,
Oui, Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez!

6:45 AM  
Blogger K9 said...

/bark bark bark


I would have to move my doghouse to a law library to keep up with you and Uriel. Out of my league you two are.

The big fight?
After I have done my clients' bidding.

7:17 AM  
Blogger K9 said...

/bark bark bark

Mr Q,


Did you not read about my super power at VB? It wasnt doggie styling as others' have written

Its the rotty stare of death! When nannies start jumping out of windows for you, we'll revisit "just".


7:24 AM  
Blogger Mr Q said...

Just rebelious.
Savage Beast.
Tackling the BS;

As you can smell it like no one.

Don't change it.
Obedience is not submission, you
Gangsta Dogg.

7:34 AM  
Blogger infinitesimal said...


My Mother is a HOMEOPATH!!


dead guy, in a littered mess of loose cut flowers and errant petals, arms splayed. dead.

Two cops looking over the body,

One states:

"Looks like the work of a homeopath."

9:34 AM  
Blogger Reverend X said...

K9, hint, you are in a law library. google search precedents, presidents and peer intents as you go. Learn and burn! My childhood hero was Faust. And I noted a indignant reference to "baser life forms" at Inf's place. I was talkin' bout my style of argument, yours too only cuz it wasn't excluded. I used the vernacular of academia to describe it out of a severe desire to avoid further semantics rebuttal from the nymph. If I had it to do over again I would have pointedly insulted you. My bad.

10:48 AM  
Blogger K9 said...

/bark bark bark


Yeah, I hear ya. And if I had it to do over again from that day:

"come take me on Pig F**ker, I'll Play"

I shoulda say:

"How'd you know I was dating your mama, BA?"

Just "base" jumpin' Rev. It's all a game.
I'll take all your punches cause its funny; insane!

/grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrra ha ha ha ha

12:38 PM  

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